1 00:00:10,700 --> 00:00:01,939 this is James Randi and you're listening 2 00:00:13,580 --> 00:00:10,710 to the skeptic zone welcome to the 3 00:00:26,359 --> 00:00:13,590 skeptic zone the podcast from Australia 4 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:29,130 hello and welcome to the skeptic zone 5 00:00:36,329 --> 00:00:32,890 episode number 315 for the second of 6 00:00:39,119 --> 00:00:36,339 November 2014 Richard Saunders here with 7 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:39,129 you from Sydney Australia coming up on 8 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:42,930 this week's show an interview a chat and 9 00:00:50,310 --> 00:00:46,930 dialogue um an interchange of ideas I 10 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:50,320 think you get the idea with James the 11 00:00:56,820 --> 00:00:54,370 amazing Randi who i Skyped just the 12 00:00:59,429 --> 00:00:56,830 other day now as you know James Randi is 13 00:01:01,649 --> 00:00:59,439 touring Australia more information about 14 00:01:04,140 --> 00:01:01,659 the tour during the course of the 15 00:01:05,969 --> 00:01:04,150 interview and some very exciting news i 16 00:01:08,039 --> 00:01:05,979 must admit this and very exciting news 17 00:01:10,130 --> 00:01:08,049 about the interview from my point of 18 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:10,140 view coming up to kick off the show 19 00:01:14,789 --> 00:01:13,450 james the amazing Randi following that 20 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:14,799 it's a week in science from our good 21 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:16,450 friends at the Royal Institution of 22 00:01:23,010 --> 00:01:20,490 Australia www RI aus done all got a you 23 00:01:26,490 --> 00:01:23,020 in fact James Randy's going to be 24 00:01:28,740 --> 00:01:26,500 speaking there on the first to December 25 00:01:30,750 --> 00:01:28,750 in Adelaide and kicking off the night 26 00:01:33,540 --> 00:01:30,760 will be none other than dr. Paul Willis 27 00:01:36,060 --> 00:01:33,550 the director of the Royal Institution I 28 00:01:37,649 --> 00:01:36,070 in Adelaide can't wait to see you Paul 29 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:37,659 it's going to be a great night with 30 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:40,450 James Randi in Adelaide and after that 31 00:01:46,700 --> 00:01:42,850 it's a chat i had with een wolf from 32 00:01:50,910 --> 00:01:46,710 diffusion science radio the website is 33 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:50,920 WWF eugene radio com now Ian now 34 00:01:57,210 --> 00:01:53,890 interviewed me for his show on diffusion 35 00:01:58,560 --> 00:01:57,220 radio about water divining and after the 36 00:02:00,960 --> 00:01:58,570 interview was over I turned the 37 00:02:04,710 --> 00:02:00,970 microphones around and I interview him 38 00:02:07,500 --> 00:02:04,720 if you want to hear my interview on his 39 00:02:10,380 --> 00:02:07,510 show diffusion radio comm is where you 40 00:02:14,850 --> 00:02:10,390 go if you want to hear my interview of 41 00:02:17,039 --> 00:02:14,860 him on my show stay right here I think 42 00:02:19,860 --> 00:02:17,049 you with me then to round off the show 43 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:19,870 it's evidence please with Joe alabaster 44 00:02:24,809 --> 00:02:22,090 and Joe will give you her impressions 45 00:02:29,089 --> 00:02:24,819 her thoughts her feelings her 46 00:02:35,759 --> 00:02:32,729 mind-body-spirit expo festival oryx we'd 47 00:02:37,170 --> 00:02:35,769 love to call it mind body wallet now 48 00:02:41,330 --> 00:02:37,180 before we get stuck into the 49 00:02:45,209 --> 00:02:41,340 show I must I must say a big thank you 50 00:02:47,069 --> 00:02:45,219 how do I say that thank you a big thank 51 00:02:49,229 --> 00:02:47,079 you to the listeners who subscribe to 52 00:02:51,599 --> 00:02:49,239 the skeptic zone through your generosity 53 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:51,609 I was able to buy a new microphone which 54 00:02:56,759 --> 00:02:54,370 i'm using right now it's the zoom what 55 00:03:00,209 --> 00:02:56,769 is it look around oh there it is I it's 56 00:03:03,030 --> 00:03:00,219 the zoom h2n now I've been using the 57 00:03:04,740 --> 00:03:03,040 zoom h2 its predecessor for many years 58 00:03:09,539 --> 00:03:04,750 on the skeptic zone I still have it it's 59 00:03:13,379 --> 00:03:09,549 a great microphone the zoom h2n gives me 60 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:13,389 more options including being able to 61 00:03:17,699 --> 00:03:15,970 record off my computer or off my ipad 62 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:17,709 into one channel and my voice on to 63 00:03:22,020 --> 00:03:19,450 another channel and it mixes it all very 64 00:03:25,559 --> 00:03:22,030 well this is not an adverse oom by the 65 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:25,569 way but it's just a thank you I thank 66 00:03:33,059 --> 00:03:27,250 you to the listeners who subscribe to 67 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:33,069 the skeptic zone at www.skory.net IM 68 00:03:37,649 --> 00:03:34,810 able to buy these things i'm able to get 69 00:03:39,890 --> 00:03:37,659 my reporters around the place and all 70 00:03:43,369 --> 00:03:39,900 sorts of things thank you your 71 00:03:46,740 --> 00:03:43,379 contribution sir make a big difference 72 00:03:48,270 --> 00:03:46,750 also keep an ear out can you keep an ear 73 00:03:51,479 --> 00:03:48,280 out I suppose you can keep an ear out 74 00:03:53,899 --> 00:03:51,489 during the show and you'll hear Maynard 75 00:03:57,780 --> 00:03:53,909 our reporter may not talk about his 76 00:03:59,580 --> 00:03:57,790 website Manor dot-com got a you if 77 00:04:02,309 --> 00:03:59,590 you're a fan of made out on the skeptic 78 00:04:05,460 --> 00:04:02,319 zone why not subscribe to his podcast 79 00:04:07,259 --> 00:04:05,470 Maynard's malays visit my dad calm day 80 00:04:09,629 --> 00:04:07,269 you all sorts of interesting things 81 00:04:12,149 --> 00:04:09,639 there including bunga bunga the show he 82 00:04:14,670 --> 00:04:12,159 doesn't in Ferguson I'm a guest on that 83 00:04:17,819 --> 00:04:14,680 show from time to time and main ads own 84 00:04:20,699 --> 00:04:17,829 podcast well that's all from me at the 85 00:04:24,450 --> 00:04:20,709 moment I know you're keen to hear from 86 00:04:28,140 --> 00:04:24,460 the man himself from james randi so it's 87 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:28,150 time for me to run downstairs all I have 88 00:04:33,029 --> 00:04:31,330 this week mmm I see Joanna bass is 89 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:33,039 talking about mind body wallet this 90 00:04:41,249 --> 00:04:36,490 week's with new age healing crystals 91 00:04:43,339 --> 00:04:41,259 spiritual vibrations vibrations why am I 92 00:04:46,050 --> 00:04:43,349 thinking of that word I'm getting a 93 00:04:48,870 --> 00:04:46,060 vibration it's telling me to run 94 00:04:49,340 --> 00:04:48,880 downstairs and have some tacos yeah why 95 00:04:52,460 --> 00:04:49,350 not 96 00:05:18,730 --> 00:04:52,470 a bit of hot sauce well I do that I hope 97 00:05:25,189 --> 00:05:23,029 and joining me now all the way from Fort 98 00:05:27,260 --> 00:05:25,199 Lauderdale in Florida I'd love to visit 99 00:05:29,570 --> 00:05:27,270 Fort Lauderdale one day when I do I'm 100 00:05:32,540 --> 00:05:29,580 sure I can drop in and have a cup of tea 101 00:05:34,850 --> 00:05:32,550 with James the amazing Randi hello Randy 102 00:05:37,129 --> 00:05:34,860 overall Richard ready to see you and 103 00:05:38,779 --> 00:05:37,139 you're a bit fuzzy but then you are 104 00:05:40,399 --> 00:05:38,789 always a little fuzzy I am always a 105 00:05:42,379 --> 00:05:40,409 little fuzzy just but for the benefit of 106 00:05:43,909 --> 00:05:42,389 our listeners were actually video each 107 00:05:46,790 --> 00:05:43,919 other at the moment you're looking hale 108 00:05:49,969 --> 00:05:46,800 and hearty and you've recently had some 109 00:05:52,549 --> 00:05:49,979 I surgery I understand yes I had 110 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:52,559 cataracts room for both eyes at 111 00:05:57,559 --> 00:05:55,289 different parts of the of the two month 112 00:06:00,739 --> 00:05:57,569 period budget it's very successful I 113 00:06:02,809 --> 00:06:00,749 must say I'm seeing things oddly now I'm 114 00:06:05,239 --> 00:06:02,819 seeing what image here when I was here 115 00:06:08,329 --> 00:06:05,249 shortly children but i will have the 116 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:08,339 glasses prescribed for me to remedy that 117 00:06:13,100 --> 00:06:11,849 and it's really remarkable what they 118 00:06:17,709 --> 00:06:13,110 could do they actually tore out my 119 00:06:21,139 --> 00:06:17,719 lenses in my eyes and everything looks 120 00:06:24,170 --> 00:06:21,149 much prettier now the sky is a key blue 121 00:06:26,570 --> 00:06:24,180 and glance i see are green mostly wow 122 00:06:29,329 --> 00:06:26,580 it's astonishing i finally got it fixed 123 00:06:31,489 --> 00:06:29,339 i should have died a couple of years ago 124 00:06:34,339 --> 00:06:31,499 but didn't get around it but now it's 125 00:06:37,670 --> 00:06:34,349 done and hey here we are here we are and 126 00:06:40,489 --> 00:06:37,680 what a wonderful walking advertisement 127 00:06:42,799 --> 00:06:40,499 you are for modern scientific medicine i 128 00:06:45,889 --> 00:06:42,809 must say because there you are still 129 00:06:49,699 --> 00:06:45,899 going well we had colon cancer and i was 130 00:06:51,589 --> 00:06:49,709 operated on laparoscopically and did i 131 00:06:55,639 --> 00:06:51,599 tell you about that no please do please 132 00:06:59,059 --> 00:06:55,649 do well they made an awful [\h__\h] I said 133 00:07:02,029 --> 00:06:59,069 that what they did laparoscopically is 134 00:07:05,379 --> 00:07:02,039 with bit of an invasion of the human 135 00:07:08,540 --> 00:07:05,389 body you see and what they did was they 136 00:07:10,459 --> 00:07:08,550 punch one hole in my tummy and then 137 00:07:11,929 --> 00:07:10,469 about four inches away they punched 138 00:07:15,170 --> 00:07:11,939 another will they put a camera in 139 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:15,180 through one it was a big regular video 140 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:16,490 camera that we all knew 141 00:07:21,100 --> 00:07:19,250 but it was a tiny little thing and they 142 00:07:24,909 --> 00:07:21,110 then they put the tools in the other 143 00:07:27,879 --> 00:07:24,919 side and they doctor operated on me by 144 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:27,889 using the camera to find the spot on my 145 00:07:33,580 --> 00:07:30,530 colon that had to be excised to heaven 146 00:07:35,439 --> 00:07:33,590 they said looped it out and sniff that I 147 00:07:38,050 --> 00:07:35,449 was unconscious for all this i was in 148 00:07:39,790 --> 00:07:38,060 lala bound of course and they snipped it 149 00:07:42,339 --> 00:07:39,800 out of they stitch it up and they tucked 150 00:07:44,650 --> 00:07:42,349 it back in again and richard the 151 00:07:48,550 --> 00:07:44,660 operation didn't take more than 20 152 00:07:51,580 --> 00:07:48,560 minutes or so I'm told and they put a 153 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:51,590 bandaid on me by that is too bad days 154 00:07:59,409 --> 00:07:54,770 but two band-aids on my abdomen and sent 155 00:08:01,450 --> 00:07:59,419 me home right away da bad the part that 156 00:08:04,870 --> 00:08:01,460 hurt most of the operation was removing 157 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:04,880 the rabbit talk about an extreme close 158 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:09,770 up the oh yes and hateful yes okay it's 159 00:08:13,450 --> 00:08:11,210 wonderful what they can do now these 160 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:13,460 leftist copy operations in fact all of 161 00:08:17,499 --> 00:08:15,530 the sort of thing they're doing they 162 00:08:19,749 --> 00:08:17,509 open up my eyes and they tore the lenses 163 00:08:22,270 --> 00:08:19,759 oh and they put plastic lenses instead 164 00:08:25,420 --> 00:08:22,280 da you know they're never going to go 165 00:08:28,749 --> 00:08:25,430 bad I hold I hope they have a lifetime 166 00:08:32,469 --> 00:08:28,759 guarantee yeah well at 86 they're pretty 167 00:08:34,690 --> 00:08:32,479 safe on that but no it is remarkable 168 00:08:37,300 --> 00:08:34,700 what medical science is doing it can do 169 00:08:39,370 --> 00:08:37,310 now it just is remarkable it's one of 170 00:08:41,350 --> 00:08:39,380 the things of course you use stress I 171 00:08:42,699 --> 00:08:41,360 know in your public talks and we'll get 172 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:42,709 to some public talks you're doing in 173 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:46,010 Australia in a moment is that with all 174 00:08:50,319 --> 00:08:48,770 your years of investigating well the 175 00:08:51,910 --> 00:08:50,329 paranormal certainly claims of 176 00:08:53,980 --> 00:08:51,920 alternative medicine come into this and 177 00:08:56,319 --> 00:08:53,990 a lot of those are sort of intertwined 178 00:08:59,139 --> 00:08:56,329 with paranormal claims on the side oh 179 00:09:01,990 --> 00:08:59,149 yeah oh yeah but I guess the point that 180 00:09:04,630 --> 00:09:02,000 you stress is it's the hard-nosed 181 00:09:06,670 --> 00:09:04,640 scientists it's the people who spend 182 00:09:09,610 --> 00:09:06,680 years in the lab perfecting things that 183 00:09:12,010 --> 00:09:09,620 bring us the breakthroughs oh yeah oh 184 00:09:14,620 --> 00:09:12,020 yeah and the things that work work very 185 00:09:17,500 --> 00:09:14,630 well to know medical science isn't 186 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:17,510 perfect no aspect of science is perfect 187 00:09:21,250 --> 00:09:19,730 but it's so close that sometimes you 188 00:09:24,069 --> 00:09:21,260 can't tell the difference and not only 189 00:09:25,269 --> 00:09:24,079 that and my all my life to medical 190 00:09:27,519 --> 00:09:25,279 science there's no question of it 191 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:27,529 because doctors who have operated on me 192 00:09:31,930 --> 00:09:29,810 on the aneurysms in my legs 193 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:31,940 well they told me that you know seven or 194 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:33,770 eight years ago that operation just was 195 00:09:38,890 --> 00:09:36,410 not available with this accuracy at all 196 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:38,900 and assigns buried an executive right 197 00:09:44,590 --> 00:09:41,810 time I time things correctly yeah I 198 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:44,600 birth time the whole thing you know you 199 00:09:49,210 --> 00:09:46,970 have you have it MIT's well and it's 200 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:49,220 amazing if we can borrow that word Randy 201 00:09:55,450 --> 00:09:52,370 it's amazing so I'm didn't work is it I 202 00:09:57,370 --> 00:09:55,460 will use it the exciting news of course 203 00:09:59,620 --> 00:09:57,380 for our Australian listeners the the 204 00:10:03,100 --> 00:09:59,630 immensely exciting users you'll be with 205 00:10:05,700 --> 00:10:03,110 us you are embarking on quite the tour 206 00:10:09,370 --> 00:10:05,710 you're going to be in Adelaide Perth 207 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:09,380 Brisbane Melbourne and Sydney all in 208 00:10:15,430 --> 00:10:12,650 early December it's a remarkable thing 209 00:10:18,670 --> 00:10:15,440 to do at any stage Randy but at 86 210 00:10:20,680 --> 00:10:18,680 that's quite an undertaking well they've 211 00:10:23,860 --> 00:10:20,690 given me a day in between just to rest 212 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:23,870 ugly oh that's all right if I fall down 213 00:10:30,190 --> 00:10:27,770 they give me a day off I'm glad to hear 214 00:10:32,230 --> 00:10:30,200 it and the the exciting news on a 215 00:10:34,390 --> 00:10:32,240 personal level for me apart from the 216 00:10:36,790 --> 00:10:34,400 fact that we can catch up again which we 217 00:10:38,950 --> 00:10:36,800 do all too rarely being on different 218 00:10:41,500 --> 00:10:38,960 sides of the globe is that I've been 219 00:10:44,310 --> 00:10:41,510 engaged to join you on your tour and in 220 00:10:46,690 --> 00:10:44,320 fact i'll be hosting this shows in 221 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:46,700 adelaide and perth and I'll be 222 00:10:51,340 --> 00:10:48,410 introducing the shows in Brisbane 223 00:10:53,590 --> 00:10:51,350 Melbourne and Sydney Randy we're going 224 00:10:56,350 --> 00:10:53,600 to have a fine old time I think oh yeah 225 00:10:59,350 --> 00:10:56,360 we will indeed and my good friend Maggie 226 00:11:01,360 --> 00:10:59,360 is coming along with us she is going to 227 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:01,370 sort of hold my hand at the plane or 228 00:11:05,740 --> 00:11:03,050 something like that I don't know exactly 229 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:05,750 what her function isn't it but she's 230 00:11:09,790 --> 00:11:07,250 going to sort of look after me make sure 231 00:11:12,070 --> 00:11:09,800 I don't fall down too badly excellent 232 00:11:13,990 --> 00:11:12,080 well there'll be a couple of us then 233 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:14,000 keeping an eye on you making sure you 234 00:11:19,930 --> 00:11:16,370 don't party out too late and Bend too 235 00:11:23,130 --> 00:11:19,940 many spoons along the way the swim do 236 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:23,140 anything you develop a huge reception 237 00:11:28,570 --> 00:11:26,330 there's bending spoons we can we'll 238 00:11:30,430 --> 00:11:28,580 we'll save the best for the live shows I 239 00:11:32,710 --> 00:11:30,440 think Randy will certainly be discussing 240 00:11:35,500 --> 00:11:32,720 all sorts of things but I think the key 241 00:11:37,390 --> 00:11:35,510 part of the the event well there are two 242 00:11:39,820 --> 00:11:37,400 parts to it I must say it's the the 243 00:11:41,530 --> 00:11:39,830 chance for the audience to hear from you 244 00:11:42,820 --> 00:11:41,540 personally because there will be a part 245 00:11:43,060 --> 00:11:42,830 of the show which is what they're going 246 00:11:45,730 --> 00:11:43,070 to 247 00:11:48,190 --> 00:11:45,740 the fireside chat we're at some stages 248 00:11:50,470 --> 00:11:48,200 you and I will be discussing your life 249 00:11:53,050 --> 00:11:50,480 and adventures but but but the flip side 250 00:11:55,540 --> 00:11:53,060 is and the other attraction is the 251 00:11:58,780 --> 00:11:55,550 showing of the documentary and honest 252 00:12:00,520 --> 00:11:58,790 liar this will be a first for Australia 253 00:12:02,980 --> 00:12:00,530 we show that pretty well all over the 254 00:12:04,870 --> 00:12:02,990 United States and Canada in Canada it's 255 00:12:07,330 --> 00:12:04,880 already been released as a documentary 256 00:12:11,650 --> 00:12:07,340 film for the documentary film stations 257 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:11,660 and and theatres of course and it says 258 00:12:17,530 --> 00:12:14,450 shown in England and some parts of 259 00:12:20,830 --> 00:12:17,540 Europe as well to great acclaim and I 260 00:12:22,930 --> 00:12:20,840 say that free me because the reviews and 261 00:12:25,630 --> 00:12:22,940 the the prizes we've been getting all 262 00:12:29,740 --> 00:12:25,640 kinds of awards of leading film of the 263 00:12:31,780 --> 00:12:29,750 something or other you don't so it's hey 264 00:12:35,050 --> 00:12:31,790 I'm going to collect some in Australia 265 00:12:37,150 --> 00:12:35,060 or I'll feel very badly so they try to 266 00:12:38,770 --> 00:12:37,160 help me out with you I'll do I'll do the 267 00:12:41,560 --> 00:12:38,780 best I can Randy I'll do the best I can 268 00:12:44,380 --> 00:12:41,570 it is a tremendous documentary I've seen 269 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:44,390 it a couple of times myself and I'm not 270 00:12:47,140 --> 00:12:45,650 just saying it's a tremendous 271 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:47,150 documentary because you're my friend and 272 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:48,650 you're touring and all the rest of it it 273 00:12:54,390 --> 00:12:51,650 really is a wonderful piece of work and 274 00:12:57,250 --> 00:12:54,400 wow does Australia feature in your 275 00:12:59,200 --> 00:12:57,260 documentary Randy you have such an 276 00:13:00,460 --> 00:12:59,210 affinity for Australians and all the 277 00:13:02,830 --> 00:13:00,470 things you've done out here it's quite 278 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:02,840 remarkable yes I I'm very fond of 279 00:13:08,230 --> 00:13:05,090 Australia as i'm sure you Australia but 280 00:13:09,910 --> 00:13:08,240 I as you know I'm sure richer than that 281 00:13:12,460 --> 00:13:09,920 it's always good to have you come over 282 00:13:15,430 --> 00:13:12,470 and visit us sometimes for our amazing 283 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:15,440 meetings and sometimes just chat for a 284 00:13:21,970 --> 00:13:19,370 while but I obviously I have a certain 285 00:13:24,490 --> 00:13:21,980 affection for your whole continent there 286 00:13:26,770 --> 00:13:24,500 I've always got along very very well my 287 00:13:29,560 --> 00:13:26,780 good friend Dick Smith and full of atoms 288 00:13:31,090 --> 00:13:29,570 for example and others I should have 289 00:13:33,940 --> 00:13:31,100 mentioned those two because now after 290 00:13:36,490 --> 00:13:33,950 mentioned everyone but forgive me if I 291 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:36,500 don't but I have so many friends there 292 00:13:42,010 --> 00:13:40,130 in Australia and I'm very happy to to 293 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:42,020 know that they're waiting and I hope 294 00:13:47,020 --> 00:13:44,330 with a certain amount of enthusiasm for 295 00:13:49,150 --> 00:13:47,030 my appearance oh you can bet your bottom 296 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:49,160 dollar on that Randy it's going to be 297 00:13:53,470 --> 00:13:51,530 quite an adventure as I said before and 298 00:13:54,910 --> 00:13:53,480 you have such a love for Australia and 299 00:13:56,170 --> 00:13:54,920 well you're going to be seeing just 300 00:13:58,960 --> 00:13:56,180 about all of it on this 301 00:14:02,590 --> 00:13:58,970 upcoming tour it's quite it is quite 302 00:14:05,590 --> 00:14:02,600 remarkable the lengths that the tour 303 00:14:08,290 --> 00:14:05,600 will cover the breadth of the country so 304 00:14:10,900 --> 00:14:08,300 to speak what do you think people coming 305 00:14:13,030 --> 00:14:10,910 along too to view the documentary on the 306 00:14:14,829 --> 00:14:13,040 big screen have the chance to ask your 307 00:14:17,470 --> 00:14:14,839 questions and there's even a chance to 308 00:14:19,510 --> 00:14:17,480 chat with you and on a one and one in 309 00:14:22,060 --> 00:14:19,520 some situations what do you think people 310 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:22,070 are going to learn from this evening 311 00:14:26,590 --> 00:14:23,810 Randy watching the documentary having a 312 00:14:30,490 --> 00:14:26,600 chance to chat with you I think there 313 00:14:33,639 --> 00:14:30,500 were no rigid that's even so many 314 00:14:36,220 --> 00:14:33,649 celebrities like myself we have some 315 00:14:39,510 --> 00:14:36,230 things to hide and some secrets are 316 00:14:42,699 --> 00:14:39,520 revealed as you know on that film that 317 00:14:45,850 --> 00:14:42,709 don't embarrass me one bit not at all 318 00:14:49,570 --> 00:14:45,860 but they sort of fade they give the 319 00:14:51,430 --> 00:14:49,580 viewer something to think about and it 320 00:14:54,060 --> 00:14:51,440 looks a little awkward at one point 321 00:14:57,100 --> 00:14:54,070 there but we finish up very nicely and I 322 00:15:01,030 --> 00:14:57,110 I've only regret that dating my partner 323 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:01,040 Kathy with me he's not only occupied but 324 00:15:05,620 --> 00:15:03,890 very very occupied with his artwork and 325 00:15:09,100 --> 00:15:05,630 such so he he can't make it 326 00:15:11,290 --> 00:15:09,110 unfortunately but he certainly will be 327 00:15:13,620 --> 00:15:11,300 sending his with his best wishes Allah 328 00:15:17,550 --> 00:15:13,630 and perhaps even joining us by Skype 329 00:15:19,780 --> 00:15:17,560 because this skype thing is just more oh 330 00:15:22,210 --> 00:15:19,790 that would be that would be fantastic 331 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:22,220 and please pass along my oh my best to 332 00:15:27,820 --> 00:15:25,490 him I we only catch up I only see him 333 00:15:29,829 --> 00:15:27,830 and you really realistically maybe once 334 00:15:32,230 --> 00:15:29,839 a year again it's just the tyranny of 335 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:32,240 distance I guess yeah well we don't 336 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:34,850 start the amazing meeting you see until 337 00:15:42,819 --> 00:15:39,290 you show up it it's a general rule i 338 00:15:45,819 --> 00:15:42,829 know we've it's over down then but we we 339 00:15:47,470 --> 00:15:45,829 we make contact often the house i do 340 00:15:49,660 --> 00:15:47,480 appreciate that Randy I always have a 341 00:15:52,449 --> 00:15:49,670 wonderful time at the amazing meeting as 342 00:15:54,430 --> 00:15:52,459 you know which is we see glimpses of the 343 00:15:57,430 --> 00:15:54,440 amazing meeting in the documentary too 344 00:16:00,730 --> 00:15:57,440 and so many other things and as you say 345 00:16:02,980 --> 00:16:00,740 there are some secrets and surprises in 346 00:16:05,079 --> 00:16:02,990 the documentary that I didn't even know 347 00:16:08,050 --> 00:16:05,089 about Saudi I was quite spellbound 348 00:16:09,910 --> 00:16:08,060 watching this documentary yeah I'm sure 349 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:09,920 our friends in Australia hill 350 00:16:15,730 --> 00:16:11,930 come along to see you in person see the 351 00:16:17,470 --> 00:16:15,740 the tour will agree with me for 20 dates 352 00:16:21,610 --> 00:16:17,480 ladies and gentlemen all you have to do 353 00:16:24,009 --> 00:16:21,620 is visit think inc dot org dot a you 354 00:16:26,949 --> 00:16:24,019 where listeners can find out details 355 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:26,959 about the evenings and you can more 356 00:16:30,790 --> 00:16:28,730 importantly buy your tickets it's Monday 357 00:16:34,090 --> 00:16:30,800 the first December in adelaide wednesday 358 00:16:36,639 --> 00:16:34,100 the third of december in perth thursday 359 00:16:39,730 --> 00:16:36,649 the fourth in brisbane friday the 5th in 360 00:16:43,030 --> 00:16:39,740 melbourne and winding up the tour sunday 361 00:16:45,670 --> 00:16:43,040 the seventh here in sydney no it's going 362 00:16:47,470 --> 00:16:45,680 to be very interesting because I'm 363 00:16:49,569 --> 00:16:47,480 certainly hoping I know I'm gonna have a 364 00:16:52,210 --> 00:16:49,579 lot of people would come to me with hand 365 00:16:54,780 --> 00:16:52,220 outstretched better probably won't 366 00:16:57,579 --> 00:16:54,790 remember the patrol from years back but 367 00:16:59,800 --> 00:16:57,589 they'll remember me and will choke me 368 00:17:01,600 --> 00:16:59,810 quickly i'm sure who they are and what 369 00:17:04,179 --> 00:17:01,610 they are and that's always a pleasure to 370 00:17:06,730 --> 00:17:04,189 know and always a pleasure to see old 371 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:06,740 friends and there are many old friends 372 00:17:11,710 --> 00:17:09,650 and australia i can assure you james 373 00:17:14,289 --> 00:17:11,720 randi we can't wait it's not long now 374 00:17:16,090 --> 00:17:14,299 listeners here's your chance take 375 00:17:18,909 --> 00:17:16,100 advantage of this opportunity with your 376 00:17:20,799 --> 00:17:18,919 in Adelaide Perth Brisbane Melbourne or 377 00:17:22,990 --> 00:17:20,809 Sydney please take advantage of this 378 00:17:26,289 --> 00:17:23,000 opportunity to see James the amazing 379 00:17:28,210 --> 00:17:26,299 Randi live in person Randy you're 380 00:17:30,820 --> 00:17:28,220 looking well I'm glad Medical Sciences 381 00:17:32,940 --> 00:17:30,830 doing wonders for you steel yourself for 382 00:17:35,380 --> 00:17:32,950 the long trip and we'll see you soon 383 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:35,390 okay thank you Richard Zhou we could 384 00:17:39,940 --> 00:17:37,490 talk to you and we'll look forward to 385 00:17:49,950 --> 00:17:39,950 seeing you in person not too long from 386 00:17:53,950 --> 00:17:52,299 brisbane skeptics society is proud to 387 00:17:55,419 --> 00:17:53,960 announce that Michael Marshall will be 388 00:17:57,430 --> 00:17:55,429 coming to Brisbane on the first to 389 00:17:58,899 --> 00:17:57,440 December I can't wait to speak in 390 00:18:00,310 --> 00:17:58,909 Brisbane I really want to be showing 391 00:18:01,210 --> 00:18:00,320 people or take people through some of 392 00:18:03,610 --> 00:18:01,220 the stuff that I've been doing in 393 00:18:05,740 --> 00:18:03,620 skepticism some of the interestings with 394 00:18:07,990 --> 00:18:05,750 a weird story from the funny stories and 395 00:18:09,430 --> 00:18:08,000 some of the quiet horrible things that 396 00:18:10,750 --> 00:18:09,440 you see when you get out there and 397 00:18:12,399 --> 00:18:10,760 you're investigating to get this isn't 398 00:18:14,529 --> 00:18:12,409 of you invest get sued a scientific 399 00:18:15,490 --> 00:18:14,539 stuff firsthand so please come along to 400 00:18:17,350 --> 00:18:15,500 Brisbane I look forward to seeing 401 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:17,360 everyone there we have a beer afterwards 402 00:18:22,269 --> 00:18:19,730 to come along to toombul shire hall 403 00:18:24,370 --> 00:18:22,279 starting at six o'clock for a talk by 404 00:18:26,860 --> 00:18:24,380 michael marshall and drinks afterwards 405 00:18:32,049 --> 00:18:26,870 for more info go to Brisbane skeptics 406 00:18:34,299 --> 00:18:32,059 dot org do you read the latest news and 407 00:18:36,159 --> 00:18:34,309 wish there was a more skeptical voice do 408 00:18:38,500 --> 00:18:36,169 you want to hear fascinating interviews 409 00:18:40,659 --> 00:18:38,510 with your favorite skeptics tune in to 410 00:18:42,370 --> 00:18:40,669 skeptically challenged skeptically 411 00:18:43,810 --> 00:18:42,380 challenged as a podcast that examines 412 00:18:46,120 --> 00:18:43,820 the latest in health and paranormal 413 00:18:47,759 --> 00:18:46,130 claims bringing critical analysis to the 414 00:18:50,230 --> 00:18:47,769 world of the weird and the crockett 415 00:18:52,389 --> 00:18:50,240 skeptic who challenged adds a rational 416 00:18:55,120 --> 00:18:52,399 voice to an Internet full of padulla tea 417 00:19:01,410 --> 00:18:55,130 for more info go to skeptically 418 00:19:06,190 --> 00:19:04,210 welcome to a week in science from arias 419 00:19:08,350 --> 00:19:06,200 bringing you the science you need to 420 00:19:11,020 --> 00:19:08,360 know it's hard to beat the crisp 421 00:19:12,790 --> 00:19:11,030 refreshing taste of an ice-cold beer but 422 00:19:15,330 --> 00:19:12,800 behind the amber haze and frothing fears 423 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:15,340 beer is also humanity's first 424 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:20,810 biotechnology venture we first 425 00:19:25,570 --> 00:19:23,210 discovered beer about 8,000 years ago in 426 00:19:27,220 --> 00:19:25,580 ancient egypt and ancient sumer the 427 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:27,230 world's first brewers mix bread 428 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:29,570 germinated grain and water in ceramic 429 00:19:33,250 --> 00:19:31,850 jars the yeast inside the bread 430 00:19:37,630 --> 00:19:33,260 fermented the sugars in the grain 431 00:19:39,670 --> 00:19:37,640 producing alcohol and tada beer almost 432 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:39,680 everyone drank it at the time as it was 433 00:19:43,570 --> 00:19:42,050 high in carbohydrates in protein but was 434 00:19:45,460 --> 00:19:43,580 also safer to drink than the 435 00:19:49,390 --> 00:19:45,470 contaminated water making it the 436 00:19:51,490 --> 00:19:49,400 ultimate food source today there are 437 00:19:53,290 --> 00:19:51,500 thousands of brands of beer and dozens 438 00:19:55,750 --> 00:19:53,300 of different styles but there are really 439 00:19:57,730 --> 00:19:55,760 only two main types of beer ales and 440 00:19:59,920 --> 00:19:57,740 lagers the difference of rising from the 441 00:20:01,570 --> 00:19:59,930 type of yeast used a OSU's a top 442 00:20:03,490 --> 00:20:01,580 fermenting yeast which operates at a 443 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:03,500 higher temperature this means that 444 00:20:08,050 --> 00:20:05,810 fermentation produces not only alcohol 445 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:08,060 but various other aroma molecules that 446 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:10,010 give rise to fruity and floral flavors 447 00:20:14,230 --> 00:20:12,410 lagers on the other hand use bottom 448 00:20:16,210 --> 00:20:14,240 fermenting yeast which operates at a 449 00:20:18,100 --> 00:20:16,220 lower temperature this means that no 450 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:18,110 extra of Roman molecules are produced 451 00:20:23,350 --> 00:20:20,210 making the beer a crisp and clear 452 00:20:24,820 --> 00:20:23,360 expression of the grain and now for fast 453 00:20:26,789 --> 00:20:24,830 facts about Australia's favorite 454 00:20:29,349 --> 00:20:26,799 beverage 455 00:20:31,389 --> 00:20:29,359 ancient Greeks and Romans didn't really 456 00:20:33,129 --> 00:20:31,399 appreciate the beauty of beer they 457 00:20:35,710 --> 00:20:33,139 thought it was most useful to soften 458 00:20:37,599 --> 00:20:35,720 ivory to make jewelry beer is a diuretic 459 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:37,609 that causes us to lose fluids very 460 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:40,129 quickly every bottle of beer you drink 461 00:20:45,729 --> 00:20:43,369 produces about half a liter of urine per 462 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:45,739 standard drink beer contains more 463 00:20:49,389 --> 00:20:47,330 vitamins and minerals than wine and 464 00:20:51,279 --> 00:20:49,399 ancient Egyptians thought that drinking 465 00:20:53,950 --> 00:20:51,289 beer and getting drunk help them become 466 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:53,960 closer with the gods that's it for this 467 00:20:59,889 --> 00:20:56,330 week and science for more information on 468 00:21:03,489 --> 00:20:59,899 beer go to the RAS website by a US 469 00:21:05,889 --> 00:21:03,499 dollar you follow us on twitter at rars 470 00:21:11,649 --> 00:21:05,899 and like us on Facebook I'm na be young 471 00:21:14,259 --> 00:21:11,659 and we'll catch you next week on Maynard 472 00:21:15,580 --> 00:21:14,269 com Donahue hi this is John Waters and 473 00:21:16,930 --> 00:21:15,590 i'm here with Maynard what's the number 474 00:21:19,180 --> 00:21:16,940 one thing you hate right now for top of 475 00:21:22,210 --> 00:21:19,190 your head the number one thing I hate 476 00:21:24,279 --> 00:21:22,220 right now probably his new age really 477 00:21:26,649 --> 00:21:24,289 gets on my nerves hippies got on my 478 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:26,659 nerves in the old days but now new ones 479 00:21:30,219 --> 00:21:28,369 oh god we have to go through this again 480 00:21:32,349 --> 00:21:30,229 what was the problem with hippies like a 481 00:21:34,450 --> 00:21:32,359 nun of action there for you I had long 482 00:21:36,580 --> 00:21:34,460 hair everything I think I was a hippie I 483 00:21:37,570 --> 00:21:36,590 was all for the demonstrations 484 00:21:39,999 --> 00:21:37,580 everything because they were good 485 00:21:42,580 --> 00:21:40,009 parties you know I never wanted to sit 486 00:21:44,499 --> 00:21:42,590 in the mud with Joan Baez and Woodstock 487 00:21:45,879 --> 00:21:44,509 what illegitimate children and then I 488 00:21:47,649 --> 00:21:45,889 don't know to me it sounded like a 489 00:21:59,340 --> 00:21:47,659 horrible way to spend the evening on my 490 00:22:03,870 --> 00:22:01,570 well I Mountain about at the moment i'm 491 00:22:06,790 --> 00:22:03,880 in downtown Sydney I'm within will Hello 492 00:22:08,410 --> 00:22:06,800 although Richard now you've just 493 00:22:11,410 --> 00:22:08,420 interviewed me so I'm going to interview 494 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:11,420 you for a second now you asked me to 495 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:13,850 come along and be on your radio show 496 00:22:18,550 --> 00:22:16,610 what's that diffusion science radio 497 00:22:21,460 --> 00:22:18,560 which get which can be heard on 498 00:22:24,820 --> 00:22:21,470 diffusion radio com diffusion radio com 499 00:22:26,830 --> 00:22:24,830 and you do science reports and bits and 500 00:22:28,990 --> 00:22:26,840 pieces yeah weekly science and 501 00:22:30,700 --> 00:22:29,000 technology show excellent that's great 502 00:22:33,430 --> 00:22:30,710 and you've come along today to ask me 503 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:33,440 about water divining absolutely i think 504 00:22:37,150 --> 00:22:35,330 if it's good enough for our incoming 505 00:22:41,110 --> 00:22:37,160 chief of the CSIRO then the whole world 506 00:22:44,230 --> 00:22:41,120 needs to know they do it's a crazy story 507 00:22:45,550 --> 00:22:44,240 folks and this guy I must tell you is in 508 00:22:48,250 --> 00:22:45,560 line for the Australian skeptics bent 509 00:22:50,770 --> 00:22:48,260 spoon award this year you see and that's 510 00:22:53,980 --> 00:22:50,780 quite interesting so that's great I mean 511 00:22:55,420 --> 00:22:53,990 I'd love any any opportunity to chat to 512 00:22:58,600 --> 00:22:55,430 somebody out there who's also promoting 513 00:23:00,970 --> 00:22:58,610 science and recent which you do yes and 514 00:23:02,140 --> 00:23:00,980 I think people need to know if we're 515 00:23:03,580 --> 00:23:02,150 going to be talking about water divining 516 00:23:05,830 --> 00:23:03,590 people need to know what it is and how 517 00:23:07,360 --> 00:23:05,840 it works and there's a lot they can 518 00:23:09,850 --> 00:23:07,370 learn about science in the process I 519 00:23:12,420 --> 00:23:09,860 think so and you probably get some angry 520 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:12,430 letters after my interview because I I 521 00:23:16,930 --> 00:23:14,810 basically say it doesn't work and I 522 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:16,940 explained that the video motor action 523 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:19,010 and stuff like that but it's interesting 524 00:23:25,030 --> 00:23:21,290 people will write back now will tell you 525 00:23:26,830 --> 00:23:25,040 long stories about how their dad did it 526 00:23:29,170 --> 00:23:26,840 or they do it or they've seen it with 527 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:29,180 their own eyes and stuff like that it's 528 00:23:33,910 --> 00:23:31,010 it's a fascinating area it's great fun 529 00:23:37,390 --> 00:23:33,920 it is I used to play with pendulums when 530 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:37,400 I was little and i found that you as you 531 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:39,290 say you can direct them once you play 532 00:23:43,900 --> 00:23:42,170 with them a lot you can direct direct 533 00:23:46,330 --> 00:23:43,910 where you want them to go without trying 534 00:23:48,250 --> 00:23:46,340 to move your hand and in fact i try to 535 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:48,260 buy basically imagining i was pushing it 536 00:23:54,250 --> 00:23:51,650 and it feels like you're using a 537 00:23:56,620 --> 00:23:54,260 psychokinetic power you're not it's all 538 00:23:58,300 --> 00:23:56,630 just the ideomotor effect the random 539 00:23:59,710 --> 00:23:58,310 movements of your hand but because of 540 00:24:02,170 --> 00:23:59,720 the connections here unconscious mind 541 00:24:04,390 --> 00:24:02,180 and the suggestion if you imagine you're 542 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:04,400 moving it it moves and it feels like 543 00:24:07,350 --> 00:24:06,890 real magic it does and this ideomotor 544 00:24:10,260 --> 00:24:07,360 action 545 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:10,270 is also responsible for as you say 546 00:24:14,190 --> 00:24:12,490 pendulums there's the old one the 547 00:24:16,110 --> 00:24:14,200 wedding ring over the pregnant belly 548 00:24:20,390 --> 00:24:16,120 it's the same same sort of thing 549 00:24:24,210 --> 00:24:20,400 happening and also it goes as far as 550 00:24:25,799 --> 00:24:24,220 applied kinesiology the same basic 551 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:25,809 psychological effect when a 552 00:24:29,700 --> 00:24:27,730 kinesiologist is doing muscle testing 553 00:24:32,310 --> 00:24:29,710 can come into play where the feedback 554 00:24:34,140 --> 00:24:32,320 they're getting unbeknownst to them is 555 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:34,150 because of the way they're pushing the 556 00:24:38,910 --> 00:24:36,010 arm or the leg or whatever the case may 557 00:24:40,590 --> 00:24:38,920 be so it's um it's it's a really 558 00:24:42,630 --> 00:24:40,600 interesting area of research the 559 00:24:44,460 --> 00:24:42,640 ideomotor action it is and it's a 560 00:24:46,770 --> 00:24:44,470 connection between the conscious and the 561 00:24:48,570 --> 00:24:46,780 unconscious mind so I'm interesting 562 00:24:49,650 --> 00:24:48,580 looking up the neural correlates if they 563 00:24:52,020 --> 00:24:49,660 can find out which parts of the brain 564 00:24:54,030 --> 00:24:52,030 are actually used by the ideomotor 565 00:24:55,260 --> 00:24:54,040 effect and how that part of it works so 566 00:24:57,120 --> 00:24:55,270 i'll be looking into that for future 567 00:24:58,590 --> 00:24:57,130 shows that would be interesting don't 568 00:25:00,330 --> 00:24:58,600 look if you need a volunteer to be 569 00:25:02,010 --> 00:25:00,340 hooked up to a machine and and walk 570 00:25:04,110 --> 00:25:02,020 along with a divining rod oh no it 571 00:25:05,460 --> 00:25:04,120 wouldn't work with me the trouble is 572 00:25:08,549 --> 00:25:05,470 I've been doing it for so long now that 573 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:08,559 I know precisely when to make the rods 574 00:25:11,610 --> 00:25:10,210 move because I have to for demonstration 575 00:25:13,140 --> 00:25:11,620 purposes you know I'll walk along and 576 00:25:15,360 --> 00:25:13,150 say there's the bottle of the rods will 577 00:25:19,950 --> 00:25:15,370 move across so I don't know what it's 578 00:25:22,620 --> 00:25:19,960 like to to do it subconsciously I've 579 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:22,630 lost that ability I have think well we 580 00:25:25,740 --> 00:25:24,010 could stick you on a Ouija board which 581 00:25:27,030 --> 00:25:25,750 is exactly the same principle right and 582 00:25:29,220 --> 00:25:27,040 you probably haven't played with them as 583 00:25:30,990 --> 00:25:29,230 much so maybe your unconscious would 584 00:25:32,610 --> 00:25:31,000 still have a way through or you just 585 00:25:34,049 --> 00:25:32,620 sealed off from the spirit world forever 586 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:34,059 because of your forbidden knowledge 587 00:25:38,430 --> 00:25:36,730 you've got me there I'm afraid I'm 588 00:25:40,140 --> 00:25:38,440 afraid I'm gonna lost cause you've 589 00:25:42,620 --> 00:25:40,150 governor in great to catch up with you 590 00:25:56,950 --> 00:25:42,630 and good luck and that website again is 591 00:26:03,710 --> 00:26:00,070 hey guys Jay novela here simple question 592 00:26:05,570 --> 00:26:03,720 where will you be this November because 593 00:26:07,340 --> 00:26:05,580 I know I'm going to be at the Australian 594 00:26:08,930 --> 00:26:07,350 skeptics national convention in Sydney 595 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:08,940 and so will all the rest of us from the 596 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:10,290 skeptics guide to the universe including 597 00:26:15,590 --> 00:26:13,410 George Rob and Dick Smith and dr. Karl 598 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:15,600 and dr. Reggie and lots of other awesome 599 00:26:20,690 --> 00:26:18,570 people why aren't you going did you not 600 00:26:22,310 --> 00:26:20,700 sign up yet get on there and sign up 601 00:26:24,290 --> 00:26:22,320 this is going to be some epic stuff here 602 00:26:33,039 --> 00:26:24,300 you don't want to miss it go to skeptics 603 00:26:49,360 --> 00:26:35,979 what we want is some more evidence 604 00:26:49,370 --> 00:26:55,850 hello this is Joe alabasta 605 00:27:01,620 --> 00:26:59,280 well last week Iran Alethea Richard and 606 00:27:04,140 --> 00:27:01,630 I all put our tinfoil hats and headed to 607 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:04,150 the mind-body-spirit festival at Olympic 608 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:07,690 Park in Sydney mind body spirit or as we 609 00:27:11,549 --> 00:27:09,730 refer to it mind-body wallet is a 610 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:11,559 six-monthly event held in Melbourne 611 00:27:15,630 --> 00:27:13,570 Sydney and Brisbane and is Australia's 612 00:27:19,770 --> 00:27:15,640 largest most popular health well-being 613 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:19,780 and natural therapies event now if 614 00:27:23,340 --> 00:27:21,970 you're skeptically inclined i think that 615 00:27:25,740 --> 00:27:23,350 there's a lot of value in attending 616 00:27:27,330 --> 00:27:25,750 these sorts of events they are for a 617 00:27:28,919 --> 00:27:27,340 first-hand view of what's out there in 618 00:27:30,630 --> 00:27:28,929 the world of old med were at the moment 619 00:27:32,310 --> 00:27:30,640 so it's a good chance to familiarize 620 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:32,320 yourself with what's currently popular 621 00:27:39,659 --> 00:27:35,770 and let me report juicing is in raw food 622 00:27:41,370 --> 00:27:39,669 is in gluten is still out if you're the 623 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:41,380 sort of person who pens letters and 624 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:43,690 complaints to the TGA a Triple C and 625 00:27:47,820 --> 00:27:45,730 fair trading you're likely to find a few 626 00:27:49,380 --> 00:27:47,830 doozies to follow up on and if you're 627 00:27:51,270 --> 00:27:49,390 curious about the perspectives of those 628 00:27:53,370 --> 00:27:51,280 who subscribe to the pseudoscience e 629 00:27:55,830 --> 00:27:53,380 notions of or going energy astrology 630 00:27:57,210 --> 00:27:55,840 negative ions and homeopathy there are 631 00:27:58,470 --> 00:27:57,220 plenty of stall holders who are more 632 00:28:00,480 --> 00:27:58,480 than happy to have a chat with you 633 00:28:02,340 --> 00:28:00,490 though occasionally less happy when you 634 00:28:04,500 --> 00:28:02,350 ask them a few too many politely phrased 635 00:28:07,799 --> 00:28:04,510 questions about evidence mechanisms and 636 00:28:10,289 --> 00:28:07,809 clinical trials so John some comfy shoes 637 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:10,299 align your chakras people can help you 638 00:28:13,380 --> 00:28:11,530 with that for just sixty dollars a 639 00:28:19,530 --> 00:28:13,390 session and let me take you on a journey 640 00:28:22,289 --> 00:28:19,540 around mind-body wallet the venue a 641 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:22,299 large convention hall was packed over 642 00:28:26,730 --> 00:28:24,610 200 exhibitors had boost set up there 643 00:28:28,799 --> 00:28:26,740 was a performance stage an area where 644 00:28:31,020 --> 00:28:28,809 speakers gave talks plus two seminar 645 00:28:32,700 --> 00:28:31,030 rooms away from the hall a corner of the 646 00:28:34,980 --> 00:28:32,710 hall sectioned off with psychics giving 647 00:28:38,190 --> 00:28:34,990 readings a demonstration kitchen with 648 00:28:39,990 --> 00:28:38,200 audience seating and a food court we 649 00:28:42,210 --> 00:28:40,000 opted to walk around and focus on the 650 00:28:44,010 --> 00:28:42,220 exhibitors in their stores but to give 651 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:44,020 you an idea of what sorts of talks were 652 00:28:49,289 --> 00:28:45,850 going on here's a random selection of 653 00:28:51,210 --> 00:28:49,299 topics why personal care products make 654 00:28:54,330 --> 00:28:51,220 you fat and affect your hormones and 655 00:28:56,580 --> 00:28:54,340 what you can do about it shifting past 656 00:29:00,030 --> 00:28:56,590 life patterns using meridian tapping and 657 00:29:03,470 --> 00:29:00,040 resonant essences sick building syndrome 658 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:03,480 and EMF their effects on the body 659 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:05,890 quantum physics and the supernatural 660 00:29:09,220 --> 00:29:07,210 realm 661 00:29:13,330 --> 00:29:09,230 replenishing your life through cellular 662 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:13,340 regeneration and emotional release with 663 00:29:19,450 --> 00:29:16,250 lymphatic draining while in the Soul 664 00:29:21,850 --> 00:29:19,460 Kitchen there was organic raw artisan 665 00:29:24,940 --> 00:29:21,860 cane healthy chocolate making and yeah 666 00:29:28,090 --> 00:29:24,950 that's a single title whole foods and 667 00:29:31,210 --> 00:29:28,100 super foods for vitality and apple cider 668 00:29:33,700 --> 00:29:31,220 vinegar recipes the performance stage 669 00:29:36,310 --> 00:29:33,710 offered such gems as power animal 670 00:29:39,030 --> 00:29:36,320 retrievals messages from the spirit 671 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:39,040 world Tibetan tantric chanting and 672 00:29:47,650 --> 00:29:42,610 drumming lots and lots of drumming 673 00:29:49,390 --> 00:29:47,660 further driving on to the exhibitors the 674 00:29:52,060 --> 00:29:49,400 first store we approach was festooned 675 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:52,070 with printouts of odd claims reproduced 676 00:29:57,820 --> 00:29:53,930 from the esteemed medical journal of all 677 00:29:59,940 --> 00:29:57,830 caps such as an X my patient greatly 678 00:30:02,590 --> 00:29:59,950 improved after avoiding citrus fruits 679 00:30:05,470 --> 00:30:02,600 allergies are caused by faulty digestive 680 00:30:08,950 --> 00:30:05,480 enzymes migraines are triggered by / 681 00:30:10,900 --> 00:30:08,960 acid fruits and a woman with a thyroid 682 00:30:13,270 --> 00:30:10,910 problem improved when cabbage and 683 00:30:15,250 --> 00:30:13,280 broccoli was eliminated which is a 684 00:30:19,540 --> 00:30:15,260 timely reminder to blast all brassicas 685 00:30:21,550 --> 00:30:19,550 with lasers on site in this booth there 686 00:30:23,110 --> 00:30:21,560 was a table and on the table was what 687 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:23,120 turned out to be the new gimmick of the 688 00:30:29,230 --> 00:30:26,930 season a pair of headphones attached to 689 00:30:31,330 --> 00:30:29,240 a machine with flashing lights which was 690 00:30:34,150 --> 00:30:31,340 connected to a screen showing images of 691 00:30:36,430 --> 00:30:34,160 internal organs scattered with different 692 00:30:39,820 --> 00:30:36,440 polygons to represent the status of 693 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:39,830 various tissues and systems this was a 694 00:30:44,860 --> 00:30:42,290 direct health scanning machine marketed 695 00:30:46,570 --> 00:30:44,870 under the name Metatron which is both an 696 00:30:48,820 --> 00:30:46,580 archangel in Christian and judaic 697 00:30:52,210 --> 00:30:48,830 folklore and almost the name of a 698 00:30:54,910 --> 00:30:52,220 transformer we saw three of these set up 699 00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:54,920 at the expo and for around $95 ago 700 00:30:59,770 --> 00:30:57,050 people could sit down wear the 701 00:31:02,170 --> 00:30:59,780 headphones and apparently quote take a 702 00:31:04,750 --> 00:31:02,180 journey and see their body in 3d and 703 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:04,760 quote to view the health of their body's 704 00:31:11,050 --> 00:31:09,050 organs tissues cells and chromosomes the 705 00:31:12,730 --> 00:31:11,060 claim is incredibly vague but apparently 706 00:31:14,620 --> 00:31:12,740 putting on some headphones allows the 707 00:31:17,620 --> 00:31:14,630 scanning device to analyze your entire 708 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:17,630 body using magnetic fields from one 709 00:31:21,500 --> 00:31:19,410 pamphlet quote 710 00:31:23,540 --> 00:31:21,510 is based on spectral analysis of the 711 00:31:26,060 --> 00:31:23,550 magnetic field vortices in living tissue 712 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:26,070 through the biofeedback of cellular 713 00:31:31,340 --> 00:31:29,730 information and quote nobody was able to 714 00:31:33,590 --> 00:31:31,350 tell us how the device receives the 715 00:31:35,540 --> 00:31:33,600 biofeedback but everybody that I saw 716 00:31:38,900 --> 00:31:35,550 having a scan appeared to have a bad 717 00:31:42,230 --> 00:31:38,910 case of spleen hexagons perhaps it's one 718 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:42,240 for the TGA to look into one of the next 719 00:31:46,550 --> 00:31:44,010 stores we encountered was all going 720 00:31:47,870 --> 00:31:46,560 effects Australia which is fantastic I'm 721 00:31:49,970 --> 00:31:47,880 actually rather fascinated by the 722 00:31:52,010 --> 00:31:49,980 concept of all going energy and the man 723 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:52,020 who proposed its existence the strange 724 00:31:56,780 --> 00:31:55,170 dropped the Wilhelm Reich unfortunately 725 00:31:58,550 --> 00:31:56,790 the store holders weren't espousing 726 00:32:00,740 --> 00:31:58,560 Reich sword views on sexual energy and 727 00:32:02,570 --> 00:32:00,750 all going directly they were selling all 728 00:32:04,670 --> 00:32:02,580 manner of trinkets to protect people 729 00:32:06,620 --> 00:32:04,680 from various energies though from 730 00:32:09,170 --> 00:32:06,630 coasters to positively charged bottles 731 00:32:11,150 --> 00:32:09,180 of water to smart meter home harmonizers 732 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:11,160 to those little holographic stickers 733 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:13,050 which is said to protect mobile phone 734 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:15,090 users from electromagnetic radiation 735 00:32:20,210 --> 00:32:18,570 that's still about we had a very 736 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:20,220 peculiar conversation with one of the 737 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:22,650 stallholders when asked how it could be 738 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:24,210 ascertained whether a bottle of water 739 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:26,370 had a positive charge he said that he 740 00:32:30,590 --> 00:32:28,650 could tell by feeling it then went on to 741 00:32:33,110 --> 00:32:30,600 inform us that double-blind studies were 742 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:33,120 no good not merely for his products but 743 00:32:36,730 --> 00:32:35,610 for any products because they removed 744 00:32:40,580 --> 00:32:36,740 the emotional and psychological 745 00:32:42,170 --> 00:32:40,590 component of an effect basically he 746 00:32:44,180 --> 00:32:42,180 seemed to be arguing the BIOS 747 00:32:45,860 --> 00:32:44,190 contributes to efficacy and should 748 00:32:47,930 --> 00:32:45,870 therefore be considered as part of the 749 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:47,940 mechanism by which a product or modality 750 00:32:54,770 --> 00:32:52,650 works ok then we kept walking and 751 00:32:56,780 --> 00:32:54,780 chatting we encountered crystals wind 752 00:32:59,120 --> 00:32:56,790 chimes psychics chiropractors or a 753 00:33:02,570 --> 00:32:59,130 photographer's a fellow who wanted to 754 00:33:05,210 --> 00:33:02,580 detox our houses a woman tried to 755 00:33:06,740 --> 00:33:05,220 redefine the word esoteric for us and in 756 00:33:08,690 --> 00:33:06,750 fact if you go to mind/body wallet 757 00:33:11,060 --> 00:33:08,700 expect to find a lot of change 758 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:11,070 definitions and very vague descriptions 759 00:33:15,260 --> 00:33:13,410 that was one of the things which really 760 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:15,270 struck me when talking with people there 761 00:33:19,550 --> 00:33:17,730 many conversations quickly come to an 762 00:33:22,790 --> 00:33:19,560 end when you ask for clear definitions 763 00:33:24,140 --> 00:33:22,800 and descriptions of how things work one 764 00:33:26,630 --> 00:33:24,150 of the highlights of the day for me 765 00:33:28,940 --> 00:33:26,640 personally was finally running into John 766 00:33:31,910 --> 00:33:28,950 the wax art reader who had been hoping 767 00:33:33,289 --> 00:33:31,920 to check out for quite some time john is 768 00:33:37,190 --> 00:33:33,299 a psychic medium 769 00:33:38,869 --> 00:33:37,200 and the medium he uses a wax crayons he 770 00:33:40,460 --> 00:33:38,879 invites people to select some colors 771 00:33:42,710 --> 00:33:40,470 which appeal to them from a board of 772 00:33:45,109 --> 00:33:42,720 little wax blocks applies the wax to 773 00:33:47,359 --> 00:33:45,119 paper melts them with a little hot iron 774 00:33:49,549 --> 00:33:47,369 and then uses the resulting picture to 775 00:33:52,759 --> 00:33:49,559 conduct a reading for you and you get to 776 00:33:54,739 --> 00:33:52,769 keep the picture I'm a fan of the 777 00:33:57,289 --> 00:33:54,749 unusual and his methods strike me as 778 00:33:59,210 --> 00:33:57,299 refreshingly different so as curious to 779 00:34:01,129 --> 00:33:59,220 have a chat with him I happened to catch 780 00:34:03,739 --> 00:34:01,139 him during a quiet moment and he gave me 781 00:34:06,019 --> 00:34:03,749 quite a treat he held out a selection of 782 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:06,029 laminated bookmarks size pieces of card 783 00:34:10,780 --> 00:34:08,490 with colored foiled finishes and asked 784 00:34:13,250 --> 00:34:10,790 myself and Iran to select one each on 785 00:34:15,770 --> 00:34:13,260 the reverse side of the card with some 786 00:34:18,619 --> 00:34:15,780 melted smudges of wax which he used to 787 00:34:20,329 --> 00:34:18,629 tell us something about ourselves my wax 788 00:34:23,539 --> 00:34:20,339 colors were green and blue which 789 00:34:25,250 --> 00:34:23,549 represented heart and communication john 790 00:34:26,930 --> 00:34:25,260 told me that i have an awful habit of 791 00:34:28,909 --> 00:34:26,940 speaking from my heart and putting my 792 00:34:30,799 --> 00:34:28,919 foot in my mouth and that I ought to 793 00:34:34,399 --> 00:34:30,809 process things more with my mind before 794 00:34:38,690 --> 00:34:34,409 I say them as such I am reading this 795 00:34:40,669 --> 00:34:38,700 report from a script Iran got blue and 796 00:34:43,010 --> 00:34:40,679 aqua and is currently in a learning 797 00:34:45,710 --> 00:34:43,020 phase of his life which frankly is a 798 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:45,720 little generic and relatable but still I 799 00:34:52,010 --> 00:34:47,970 was very happy with our experience with 800 00:34:53,990 --> 00:34:52,020 John we got free bookmarks on the topic 801 00:34:55,970 --> 00:34:54,000 of the unusual I was also delighted to 802 00:34:58,460 --> 00:34:55,980 find a comparatively unadorned booth 803 00:35:01,700 --> 00:34:58,470 with the table containing a fish bowl 804 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:01,710 full of leeches the lead chap who also 805 00:35:06,770 --> 00:35:04,170 practices Reiki kinesiology and 806 00:35:08,420 --> 00:35:06,780 hypnotherapy wasn't there but the woman 807 00:35:09,829 --> 00:35:08,430 who is attending the booth explained 808 00:35:11,539 --> 00:35:09,839 that the free-range lectures that I 809 00:35:13,010 --> 00:35:11,549 encounter in the Blue Mountains aren't 810 00:35:15,319 --> 00:35:13,020 doing me any good because they're 811 00:35:17,599 --> 00:35:15,329 infested with parasites but their 812 00:35:22,190 --> 00:35:17,609 factory farmed bleachers are fine and 813 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:22,200 contain enzymes now leechers do actually 814 00:35:27,260 --> 00:35:23,970 have legitimate medical uses in 815 00:35:28,940 --> 00:35:27,270 particular in microsurgery however I'm 816 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:28,950 not convinced that the ideal treatment 817 00:35:34,309 --> 00:35:31,290 for ear infections vision problems and 818 00:35:36,530 --> 00:35:34,319 hernias the leech therapist also lists 819 00:35:39,049 --> 00:35:36,540 hemorrhoids in his list of areas in 820 00:35:42,890 --> 00:35:39,059 which leech therapy has insisted people 821 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:42,900 to improve their well-being oh I'm not 822 00:35:47,150 --> 00:35:45,930 going there there's so much to see an 823 00:35:48,980 --> 00:35:47,160 amazed at my body while 824 00:35:51,050 --> 00:35:48,990 I've only touched the surface here I 825 00:35:52,580 --> 00:35:51,060 strongly recommend that you check it out 826 00:35:55,370 --> 00:35:52,590 for yourself if you're in the least bit 827 00:35:57,860 --> 00:35:55,380 curious the next one is being held in 828 00:36:00,110 --> 00:35:57,870 melbourne from the 14th to the 16th of 829 00:36:03,830 --> 00:36:00,120 november then they'll be back in march 830 00:36:05,780 --> 00:36:03,840 may and june next year if alternative 831 00:36:08,090 --> 00:36:05,790 medicine and bizarre claims trouble you 832 00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:08,100 mind body wallet can be turned into an 833 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:10,650 opportunity for action talk with saw 834 00:36:14,510 --> 00:36:12,330 holders and find out what they have to 835 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:14,520 say collect their literature and follow 836 00:36:19,310 --> 00:36:17,490 up with the relevant authorities if you 837 00:36:21,110 --> 00:36:19,320 want to see all manner of psychological 838 00:36:23,570 --> 00:36:21,120 phenomena in action it's a great place 839 00:36:25,940 --> 00:36:23,580 for people watching and if you have 840 00:36:28,610 --> 00:36:25,950 hemorrhoids don't sit down in a swamp in 841 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:28,620 the Blue Mountains and perhaps have a 842 00:36:47,610 --> 00:36:44,460 the skeptic magazine the journal from 843 00:36:49,830 --> 00:36:47,620 Australian skeptics subscribe online to 844 00:36:55,140 --> 00:36:49,840 the world's second oldest skeptical 845 00:36:57,900 --> 00:36:55,150 magazine visit w WC apx com au and click 846 00:37:01,860 --> 00:36:57,910 the publication's League you can also 847 00:37:05,190 --> 00:37:01,870 find their over 30 years on back issues 848 00:37:24,770 --> 00:37:05,200 free to download the skeptic magazine 849 00:37:28,890 --> 00:37:27,450 thank you for listening to the skeptics 850 00:37:31,559 --> 00:37:28,900 earned this week in that website again 851 00:37:34,260 --> 00:37:31,569 for more information about James Randi 852 00:37:38,720 --> 00:37:34,270 an evening with James Randi with James 853 00:37:41,670 --> 00:37:38,730 Randi and myself in Adelaide and Perth 854 00:37:45,049 --> 00:37:41,680 and I'll be introducing the evening in 855 00:37:51,599 --> 00:37:45,059 Sydney Melbourne and Brisbane think inc 856 00:37:55,020 --> 00:37:51,609 dot org dot a you and that's thi NK i NC 857 00:37:56,609 --> 00:37:55,030 dot org go to you and also a big shout 858 00:37:59,190 --> 00:37:56,619 out to my friends at the skeptics guide 859 00:38:01,500 --> 00:37:59,200 to the universe podcast I was a guest 860 00:38:03,630 --> 00:38:01,510 rogue on their latest episode so if you 861 00:38:05,339 --> 00:38:03,640 listen to the skeptics guide or you you 862 00:38:07,559 --> 00:38:05,349 subscribe you'll know that and if you 863 00:38:10,230 --> 00:38:07,569 don't why not check it out the skeptics 864 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:10,240 guide to the universe podcast and we 865 00:38:14,130 --> 00:38:11,650 can't wait to see all the Rogues out 866 00:38:16,289 --> 00:38:14,140 here in late this month late November 867 00:38:18,599 --> 00:38:16,299 for the Australian skeptics National 868 00:38:20,670 --> 00:38:18,609 Convention tickets are still on sale but 869 00:38:23,839 --> 00:38:20,680 for this week this is Richard Saunders 870 00:38:26,970 --> 00:38:23,849 full of vibrations full of spiritual 871 00:38:31,349 --> 00:38:26,980 chakras and vibrations and quantum 872 00:38:33,559 --> 00:38:31,359 energies and I I was in a street fair 873 00:38:36,930 --> 00:38:33,569 today folks I went to the Double Bay 874 00:38:39,140 --> 00:38:36,940 Street fair and I came across some 875 00:38:44,609 --> 00:38:39,150 interesting things one store was selling 876 00:38:49,339 --> 00:38:44,619 chakra balancing crystals as I walk past 877 00:38:53,789 --> 00:38:49,349 I swear my chakras went out of balance 878 00:38:55,799 --> 00:38:53,799 it's very disturbing hmm for this week 879 00:39:01,740 --> 00:38:55,809 this is Richard Saunders signing off 880 00:39:04,020 --> 00:39:01,750 from Sydney Australia you've been 881 00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:04,030 listening to the skeptic zone 882 00:39:12,030 --> 00:39:09,010 visit our website at www skeptics on TV